Filing Bankruptcy? Then Don’t Do These!

You’ve decided that you need to file bankruptcy. There are things that you should absolutely not do before your case is filed:

1. I’m not going to list all of my debts, because I don’t want to include the debt to XYZ Creditor or my mom in my bankruptcy.
Not a good idea. The law says that you must list everyone you owe. Failure to do so can result in a fine and/or jail time, and having your case dismissed without receiving your discharge. Once your bankruptcy is complete, you can pay any discharged debt that you want.

2. I’m not going to list all of my property. How is the Trustee going to know I have it anyway?
Not a good idea either. The law says that you must list everything you own. The Trustee will do an asset search on you and will find property / vehicles / stuff that is in your name (or was in your name, see #3). It is amazing what the Trustee can find. When s/he finds the property, you may end up losing your stuff that might have otherwise been protected if you had just told your attorney about it in the first place.

3. Ok, I’ll just transfer the property into my aunt / cousin / friend’s name before I file the bankruptcy.
Nope. First, these transfers have to be listed in your schedules. And if you decide to do #2 and not list it, the Trustee will probably find out anyway (remember the asset searches?) Anything that has been transferred in the last year can be undone by the Trustee and you can still lose your stuff; property that might have been protected if you had just told your attorney about in the first place.

4. I know that I don’t get to keep my non-earned income credit part of the tax refund, I’ll just give it to my mom / cousin / aunt before I file.
Nope. That is called a preferential transfer and the Trustee can make your mom / cousin / aunt cough up the money to him. There are better ways to spend down a tax refund prior to filing; talk to your attorney.

5. But I owe my mom $1,000 why can’t I give it to her?
Because this is what is called a “preference payment” that is over $600 and the Trustee can take it. Same thing with paying creditors, if you pay them more than $600 in the 90 days prior to filing the Trustee can take that as well (unless it is a normal contractually due payment.)

6. My telephone number has changed but I’m not going to tell my attorney about it.
Sometimes we need information from you immediately and always need to be able to get a hold of you. Always keep your attorney updated with your current place of employment, home address and telephone number(s).

7. I’m filing bankruptcy, so I am going to stop making my car payment.
Not a good idea if you are planning on keeping it because your vehicle may end up being repossessed before your bankruptcy is filed. If you do not want to keep it then just make sure you keep insurance on the vehicle until it is repossessed. There may be times when you will be advised to not make a vehicle payment (right before a Chapter 13 bankruptcy filing, for instance) but in general, if you plan on keeping the car, keep making the payment.

8. I’m a little short on money, I am going to make a withdrawal from my retirement account.
You should never withdraw money from your retirement account (or receive any type of other funds) prior to filing. There is what is called a “means test” that qualifies you for a Chapter 7 and also helps to determine what your plan payment will be in a Chapter 13. The money that you receive prior to filing is counted against you in this means test. Just Don’t Do It.

9. OK, how about I take out a loan against my retirement account, refinance my house (or take out a 2nd mortgage) or take out a loan against my car for a little extra cash?
No. You are turning debt that you can get rid of into debt that you cannot get rid of if you want to keep the stuff; when you file bankruptcy you will get rid of most of your unsecured debt; however, if you want to keep your stuff you will keep the loans. If you are having trouble financially now, it will get better when you get rid of the unsecured debt but it will make it difficult for you to now have an increased mortgage and/or car payment due to taking out the loans.

10. But I am not sure whether I want to file bankruptcy and am thinking about doing these loans to pay off credit card debt.
Most of the people that I see that took out a 2nd mortgage on their home, refinanced a car or borrowed against their retirement accounts end up owing more than they did before they did the refinancing and have higher payments that they have to keep. You need a home to live in, you need your retirement account for the future, and having a low or nothing car payment is nice. Just think about filing bankruptcy and getting rid of the debt instead of adding to it and possibly losing your home, retirement account and car in the process.

11. I need some stuff and the only way to pay for it is to use my credit cards.
Really bad idea. Once you know you are going to file bankruptcy no more debt for you – do not charge on your cards or take out any loans, or you may find that you will have to pay this debt back and not get it discharged through your bankruptcy.

12. Whew. I’m all worn out now from this. Anything else?
We know that this is a stressful time for you and trust me, if you do any of the above don’ts, your life will be even more stressful. Don’t do anything without talking to your attorney, and make sure you tell your attorney everything, even if you think it doesn’t matter. There is a reason we have that question on the questionnaire.

These pitfalls are why you need to get an attorney who is very knowledgeable in the bankruptcy area, and doesn’t just “dabble” in it – a competent, knowledgeable bankruptcy attorney may mean the difference between a smooth bankruptcy with you keeping your stuff and getting rid of your debt versus a bankruptcy filing where you lose stuff and still end up owing creditors.

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Bankruptcy Myths – Get the Facts

In my many years of talking to people I am amazed at the amount of misinformation that is out there. A lot of the people that I meet with have waited far too long to seek the assistance of a bankruptcy attorney; a garnishment may be in place, a foreclosure at their doorstep or they have just endured the economic hardship for many years. They are scared, stressed out and feel alone. When asked why, it was due to some misinformation that they had been given by well-meaning friends and/or relatives.

I’m not eligible to file a bankruptcy because I make too much money.
While the bankruptcy law change of October 2005 created a means test for qualifying to file a Chapter 7, even if you make too much money and cannot file a Chapter 7 there is the option of a Chapter 13 for you which will give you financial relief.

I have filed a bankruptcy before, I can’t file another one.
There is a difference between filing a bankruptcy and receiving the discharge, which eliminates your debts. There is eight years between the filings of a Chapter 7, however you may be able to file, and receive a discharge in a Chapter 13 bankruptcy. Even if you cannot receive a discharge in a Chapter 13 bankruptcy you may still be able to file a Chapter 13 bankruptcy to get immediate relief and stop a foreclosure.

I don’t want everyone to know I have filed a bankruptcy.
You would probably be surprised at how many people you know have had to file a bankruptcy. Having said that, even though bankruptcies are public record, there is not a listing in the newspaper. Anyone who finds out would have had to go to the US Bankruptcy Court and searched for your information.

Only people that purposely abuse their credit cards, are morally bankrupt or are deadbeats file bankruptcy.

Since seeing people since 1988, I can count on one hand who this would apply to. I find that most people who need to file bankruptcy have hit on hard times; they were living paycheck-to-paycheck and had some type of catastrophe; a divorce, a death in the family, loss of a long-term job, major illness. I have also had many clients that at one time were making a good living but had one of the above happen to them and wipe everything out that they had.

If I file bankruptcy I will lose my car…home…property.

Bankruptcy has exemptions which pulls your property out of the bankruptcy estate and allows you to keep it. For example, in Oklahoma you are allowed your clothing up to $4,000, furniture and $7,500 equity in a vehicle (the equity is the value of the vehicle less any loans). You also get to keep your tax-exempt retirement accounts and college-savings plans. There are other exemptions available, but you get the picture. If you have property that is not exempt (do not ever title it in someone else’s name, a Trustee can undo your transfer and still take the property, which includes a large wad of cash) you can still keep the property under a Chapter 13 bankruptcy.

But I have to go to Court.
You do have to attend what is called a “Meeting of Creditors” hearing. There is not a judge in attendance but your Trustee (either a Chapter 7 or Chapter 13, depending on what chapter you filed). I have appointments with my clients prior to prepare them for this hearing, and I also attend the hearing with them. This is a small price to pay to get rid of all of your debt. If there are any contested matters, you have to attend Court for that also (pretty rare).

I get to keep all my mortgaged property and not pay for it.
I am surprised at how often I hear this one. Bankruptcy gets rid of debt, not liens. Your car, home, furniture loans…..if you want to keep the property you have to keep the debt. If you give back the property the debt will be discharged in the bankruptcy.

My credit will be ruined.
A bankruptcy filing does goes on your credit report for ten years, but what does your credit look like now? Even if it looks good and payments are current, how long can you keep this up? The only way to clean the debt up now is to pay it off or become current on the payments. While it is also true that the initial filing of the bankruptcy may lower your credit rating, Bankruptcy will discharge most debts and allow you a “fresh start” to rebuild your credit.

I will never get credit again.
I find that most of my clients are being offered credit cards before their bankruptcy is even finished. They can even get car and home loans (home loans may be 1 – 2 years after your bankruptcy is complete, and you must have perfect credit from the bankruptcy filing forward, this from a realtor friend of mine). You will want to be extremely cautious and choose credit wisely to rebuild, and not get back in the situation that led you to file in the first place.

I really need to file bankruptcy but my spouse won’t let me because his/her credit is good and everyone knows that you both have to file.
Both spouses do not need to file, you can file an individual bankruptcy. However, if your spouse is liable for any of the debts then while you will no longer be responsible for the debt, your non-filing spouse will still be responsible. Heck, if you are married, you can also file a joint bankruptcy even if you are separated and don’t live together.

I can’t file bankruptcy, because I don’t have any credit cards, I only owe medical bills / utilities / payday loans / past-due taxes that you cannot get rid of in bankruptcy.
While it is true that bankruptcy does not eliminate some type of debt (child support, alimony, debt incurred from fraud or drunk driving, student loans, and yes, most type of taxes, to name a few), you don’t have to just have credit cards to file bankruptcy (or even a minimum amount of debt, but that is another subject matter). Bankruptcy will get rid of medical bills, past-due utility bills (but the utility company will require a deposit), payday loans, and many other types of debt. If your debt is the type of debt that cannot be eliminated (such as taxes), it might still be able to be controlled in a Chapter 13 bankruptcy to prevent garnishment of wages. See if a filing will help your situation or if there is another way out.

It is too late for me to file – I am already being garnished, my property has already been foreclosed, my car has been picked up or I have a Court date set already.

The filing of a bankruptcy puts in place an “automatic stay” which halts all collection activity. It will stop a Court date from happening, it will stop future garnishments, and depending on when your property was picked up it MAY be able to be returned (IMMEDIATELY SEE AN ATTORNEY). Even if you cannot get your property returned, the filing of the bankruptcy will eliminate any deficiency amount that you might owe (the amount that is left over after the proceeds of the sale is applied against the loan – without a bankruptcy you will owe this).

I hope that this will lay to rest some of the stories that you might have heard. If you are having financial problems your best option is to make an appointment with a competent bankruptcy attorney who will give you your options and let you know what is available to you. So many of my clients come into my office scared, nervous, and stressed out. Once their bankruptcy is filed they tell me that the relief that they feel and the loss of stress that they have is tremendous, and the only regret that they have is that they did not file sooner.

I offer a 30-minute free first visit. Come see me and get the facts, ma’am, just the facts.

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You Are Not Alone

Welcome! I am a bankruptcy attorney who’s office is located in Lawton, Oklahoma. I assist people in all areas of southwestern Oklahoma – Chickasha, Duncan, Walters, Ada, Altus, Snyder, Elgin, etc……and have had the pleasure of helping others solve their debt problems since 1988.

Despite what Congress would have you believe, that people file bankruptcy because they can’t (or won’t)  manage money, or that people want to have a lavish spending spree, run up their debt  and then not pay, or many of the other falsehoods, I have found the exact opposite – most people who come to me have had some type of catastrophe happen – a divorce, medical problems, the loss of a job – good, honest, hard-working people that have tried everything they can to pay their debt but just cannot.

The first step is for you to realize that you are not alone in this – there are thousands of people just like you – people that need a “fresh start”, a little helping hand if you will, and end up filing bankruptcy. Any law firm that you hire will also be by your side in this dark time of your life.

Second, an inventory needs to be taken – what is your income and what property do you have (don’t get rid of anything and  please don’t take out a lien on your home, vehicle, or retirement account!) and what debts do you have; creditor, amount owed, monthly payment, does the creditor have a lien on any property. Write it down.

Now find out real answers to your questions from someone who knows about bankruptcy. I am amazed at how many times I have had a client in my office tell me that creditor “X” said that their debt could not be included in bankruptcy, it was too late to file bankruptcy, or that everything would be taken and sold. I have even had creditors tell my clients that they were going to go to jail. Do not listen to your creditors.

Finally, schedule an appointment with an attorney that has experience in handling bankruptcy cases to discuss your situation. While most people get to keep all of their property, the law change in 2005 created a minefield for the unwary; if you do not know the ins and outs bankruptcy can be ugly. If you don’t get a good feeling from your first appointment, schedule an appointment with another attorney.

Sometimes bankruptcy is the answer, sometimes it is not. Things will get better. Many times when a client leaves my office I am told how much better they feel, that a tremendous weight has been lifted off their shoulders. Remember, you are not alone in your situation and your life can be improved. There is no reason to keep yourself in the stress of the situation and try to handle it by yourself.

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Hello from a Bankruptcy Attorney!

Welcome! I may be brand new to the blogging world but not to bankruptcy. I have been helping consumers located all over the southwestern part of Oklahoma with their debt since 1988. Stick around, pull up a chair and learn more about the bankruptcy system.

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